Lets
talk about your history. When you started out, who inspired you?
Kenny: I got my inspiration from lots
of different DJs, namely Marly Marl, who played a big variety of
music, this goes back to '84, '85. It was just a blend, that's where
I got my first inspiration from, listening to all those different
styles of music - breakbeats, reggae, funk, soul, the basic songs;
and later on I just began collecting more and more music.
Louie: I started out listening to Larry Levan, Tony Humphries, Afrika Bambata,
Jazzie J. At that time there was a nice mixture of music and a lot
of the clubs played basically all kinds of styles so youÕd have
fun at any of those bars in New York City.
How
did you get started making music, were you learning from other figures
on the scene?
Louie: From listening to the guys on the radio you want to start
doing your own parties, thatÕs actually where the name MAW comes
from. That was the old crew name in Brooklyn and we started doing
parties at around age 16 -17.
Kenny: Then we wanted to make the next step, that's when I started messing
around with beats and stuff and started digging a bit more into
the music. Todd Terry, who I met through coming to the parties,
was out before me. While I was playing he was already cutting records
so at that point I was just watching him and how he was putting
records together. I learned a lot from him in the beginning and
just started putting out records, and that's how I actually met
Louie. Louie had heard a joint that I did, ('A Touch of Salsa')
which he liked, he wanted a remix at the time and he asked out "who's
that kid from Brooklyn making these songs?" We hooked up and
the rest is history. We did so much afterwards, the remix never
actually got done. At that time he was working on his project 'The
Little Louie Mark Anthony Album' He brought me in and I did drum
tracks for his record.
Louie: That's how we got acquainted, in the studio. Just working for four
months together on that album, we really started getting used to
each other in the studio and how we worked, and it started running
real smooth. I thought it was perfect for us as a team and the rest
is history.
At
what point did you really think, "we are really contributing
to this scene, and really influencing what's going on"?
Kenny: Right from the jump, because when we connected it was
just that chemistry. You kind of feel that vibe you're just about
to take over, it's crazy. No matter where we're at, where we are
in the world, when weÕre together itÕs just something really special.
Like I said, we hooked up in 1990. I would say six months after
that, ideas just kept coming and they didn't stop. And we started
incorporating a lot of live stuff; even though Marshall Jefferson
was incorporating live musicians in '86, '87, we took that to a
whole other level. We brought a lot of percussions into the scene.
We brought Brazilian, jazz, the culture, the different backgrounds,
black with white, we brought people together. I think before us
everybody was kind of in their own world, after themselves and worrying
about themselves, and we were like 'no, this is ours'. We brought
a lot of different people together.
You
seem to have been imitated a fair bit, did this inspire you to change?
Louie: When we first came out we were getting a lot of mixes
from pop artists, so we were taking the B-sides and coming up with
this new flava, and we were just knocking the clubs out. We started
doing St Etienne, Chic, Melissa Morgan, all those early records...
they became like club anthems and they were even played on the radio
like dubs, so we started these MAW dubs. Next thing you know, everybody
wanted one from Madonna to Michael Jackson... wanted the MAW dubs.
So we created our own style, which eventually started evolving and
from there went to Nuyorican Soul. We're not even reinventing ourselves,
this is stuff that we already have in us, we are just letting it
out. Right know it's more electronic, that's what this is about.
This is a new flava that we got, we never got a chance to put rock
influences in our music, and this is why we're gonna do it. We gave
you the live stuff with George Benson, Tito Puente and everybody
on air and now we're just on a different level. We're not trying
to invent ourselves to be happening we are just trying to make good
music.
You
worked together a lot but also pursued solo careers. How does that
impact on your work?
Kenny: We just started doing it, we just came to a level where
we were doing so much together. Louie wanted to do his project,
he was like 'I wanna do this record'. And I said: 'Do what you got
to do'. There is no egos involved, none of that.
Do
you ever get to talk to your fans very often?
Kenny: All the time when we're on the road. We've got to stay
after the gig like an hour, and if they just want to ask us questions,
then we're there. We can hang, we're good.
What
about forums, do you ever go on there and answer questions?
Louie: We did it yesterday. We were at the M3 summit and we sat
on this panel, four people only, answering all their questions.
We do do this - it's important to us. People get excited just getting
near you to ask you one question and if somebody has travelled six
hours to come hear you for a night, I'm not like 'Yo, later'. We
always open our arms to the fans. If you go to the centre of Naples
right now, there is a store front and it's an MAW fan club: in the
middle of Naples, like a store. We freaked out when we went. There
are pictures of us that I have never seen before. These kids are
around and they created a fan club of like two thousand people who
are already in it. It's amazing. Things like that really touch us
and you've got to give them the time.
Soulful
house in the UK especially is enjoying a bit of a renaissance. In
your opinion, house or soulful house - is it a fashion or has it
never gone away?
To be honest, 9/11 has changed the whole thing. People wanted to
hear songs, they wanted to feel good again, they wanted a message;
that had a lot to do with it. Right after that everything just switched
up. In a way we were really happy with it because all the harder,
noisy type records went out, even though they are still there. To
me that was a main part of it was going back to where it was, and
getting the right tunes out there.
In
the US, dance music is a fairly small part of popular culture. Do
you think that will change, or are you interested in changing that?
Kenny: I donÕt think it's ever gonna change. There are not that
many labels and artists moving for the unit to make that happen.
There is no radio play, no videos and until that happens, its not
gonna rise up... The thing with the dance stuff, there's a lot of
one offs but thereÕs no follow ups, there are very few times where
you get a group or artists that does five records; and that's where
the compilations come in. That is why the compilations are where
it's at in Europe, because you're basically taking twenty hot records
and putting them together. For the consumer that's cool too because
they get twenty records they like opposed to buying an album, where
they only like two songs.
Soulheaven
In The House - how did you arrange that, what was your process of
picking up the tracks?
Kenny: Well, it's different. Now we're even putting together
a bit of old stuff, a bit of new stuff, some more aggressive records
and kind of mixing them all together. We are at the stage where
you got to re-educate the whole crowd again. The kids that were
buying records when I first came out are twenty years old, you've
got to re-introduce them into those old records again.
Its
got a very signature sound...
Louie: You know what youÕre gonna get. You're gonna hear soulful
music, any kind of soulful dance music. What have you tried to reflect
with this Soulheaven Compilation?
Kenny: We are trying to go back to when we were doing the mix tapes at
home, when we were making crazy, crazy master mix type CDs. We're
gonna use a lot of tricks, remix some of the old tunes and put new
beats on. Just make it real fun, real listenable to the ear.
Louie: It's the first CD we are doing together in a long time. The thing
on Beechwood was the last one... We did two before together, the
MOS and Beechwood. This is our third one.
Any
re-edits or exclusives?
Louie: Probably quite a few... we're gonna make it real crazy.
Kenny: Yeah, gonna be some goodies, a lot of that.You'll hear special versions
of things you've never heard before because weÕve got the master
tapes to a lot of things. It's gonna be real fun to get back in
there.
You've
been around for 20 years and youÕre pretty much at the top. Where
do you go from here?
Louie: Musically thereÕs a lot of ways to go. Right now we're
opening up to this electronic thing, opening up a new set of ideas,
from there who knows where itÕs gonna go. But itÕs always gonna
go somewhere, we're not planning on stopping making that music.
Is
the whole digital revolution going to change the way you perform
as DJs?
Kenny: It won't change us as we're always gonna be doing what
were doing. Right now Technics is coming up with their new player
which is incredible. You still got to play a CD the way you play
a record. I never thought of playing CDs from being a vinyl head
for so many years. But when you start travelling and records get
lost, you think of your stuff getting get there, the records are
following us. Now it's just easier for us and at the same time we
can carry a lot more music. We can go in different directions, we
can take gigs where we can play different styles, it gives us more
variety. But we're still playing our CDJs the way weÕre playing
our records. It hasn't changed.
You've
worked with some legendary figures - George Benson, Tito Puente,
Roy Ayers... did they know about you before you introduced yourselves?
Louie: No, we had to have meetings with them. When we met George
Benson, we met him because we had signed to Universal. We became
friends with Tommy P. who produced George for the last 30 years
or so, and we asked him to hook us up. We got a meeting with Benson
and when he came in we were like: 'Damn, look George Benson is right
here! We've got to play him this track and hope he likes it'. We
had a session player coming in do like a scab vocal. It was an idea
we had. We played him the whole album, we played him the Latin stuff,
India's, Tito's stuff; He says: 'I love the idea, I like what this
is about, I wanna go in the studio with you guys' and that was it.
It
must be a big deal to work with someone like Tito Puente. How did
he receive you?
Louie: We met him because we started going to the Village Gate,
we were going to check out some latin jazz sessions. They would
put these great combinations on like Tito Puente with James Moody,
and that's when we met Tito Puente. They said: 'Yeah, this is Louie
and Kenny, they're like big producers in the dance music scene and
he was like 'Dance music!? That's a big word'. Like as if he was
messing... but we were cool, we hung out and later at the end of
the night he was like 'I was just kidding, I really wanna come in
the studio, wanna see what you've got, I'd love to work with you
guys. Let's go!'
I
guess he was proud of the result.
Louie: Yes, we did about six records with Tito. We started doing
his Mambo King stuff. That's when we kind or really proved ourselves
to him; when we took a 1951 Mambo record and made it into a house
song almost, with a Latin flava.
A
big respect thing going on. You're happy to push their music, introduce
it to new people and they're doing vice versa. A fantastic collaboration!
Louie: Yes, after seven years of us working together, we realised
we'd made our stamp in the business when we did Nuyorican Soul.
He was saying because we had a photo shoot in a restaurant, we had
George Benson in one corner, Roy Ayers in the other, Tito Puente;
everybody just hanging and laughing. Jocelyn Brown, India, the whole
crew was in there. We were like 'Wow, we got these people in one
place.' Because they travel round the world every day, we were proud.
We would be happy if it had ended that way. But, obviously, it didn't!
One
last question... between you guys, just how big are your record
collections?
Kenny: I probably have about 30 000 records.
Louie: Two rooms full, maybe 15 000.
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